Friday, November 4, 2016





Random Fuzzy


So now we have a response.

What to make of the decision to file 2 weeks after the deadline had lapsed?  After explaining earlier that he wouldn't.


I still think they were  counting on the DCFS closing their investigation before the 30-day period for a response ended.


But as there had been no response and she indicated she didn't intend to seek a default judgement, that left the question -- what will happen to the petition?  Is she going to Request a Dismissal? 


But the DCFS investigation is still open.  She can't. 


The DCFS investigation being open means the DCFS still believe the children are "in danger." 

People
So what happens next, after the temporary visitation agreement expires on Oct. 20? Los Angeles-based family law specialist Matthew K. Skarin says it depends on the findings from the DFCS investigation.
“DCFS could decide to investigate the issues further or, they will have made findings about whether or not there is any danger to the children and those findings will be taken into consideration by the family court,” he tells PEOPLE. “If the DCFS matter is kept open, it doesn’t necessarily mean that there have been any negative findings about either party. It could just mean that their investigation was inconclusive and they want to look into matters a little further. Assuming that there are no findings of any potential harm to any of the children, and DCFS is satisfied that the children are not in any danger with either of the parties, DCFS would then close their investigation.”

Also recall that the Us. report stated

The Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services has extended their investigation of Brad Pitt for alleged child abuse, Us Weekly can confirm.
The protective order against the actor, 52, has been extended as investigators look into whether there are additional incidents or a pattern that may suggest a history of abuse that involves more than one of Pitt and Angelina Jolie’s six children. 

"protective order against the actor"


So they still need the divorce petition to keep the DCFS at bay.  The only people she wanted to impress with the divorce filing are the DCFS.  His response effectively buys them time and allows them to wait out the DCFS investigation.


Brad could have filed a response earlier and he didn't.  Why didn't he?  Why only now two weeks after the deadline?


Angelina could have filed for a default judgement these past two weeks and she didn't.   Why didn't she?   It would have allowed her to get everything she asked for in the petition. 


So lets look back at the TMZ report that explained why Brad didn't file before the deadline:  Recall that this report came out Oct. 21 before they learned that the DCFS was expanding its investigation:

Brad Pitt will not file a legal response to Angelina Jolie's divorce petition because it would set the stage for a nasty legal battle ... and he fears it would cause great psychological damage to their kids.

So does the response now mean he wants a nasty legal battle and to cause great psychological damage to his kids?

Angelina could set the wheels in motion for a default judgment since Brad hasn't answered her petition, but we're told that is not going to happen. She agrees ... healing the family is the priority, not starting a war.

Does the response also mean that "healing the family" is no longer their priority?  That the priority now is starting a war?

There's something else here at play. The L.A. County Dept. of Children and Family Services is still investigating the airplane confrontation between Brad and 15-year-old Maddox, and Brad will be in a much stronger position if DCFS closes the case before he files his answer.

Let us see..TMZ earlier wrote:
DCFS does have the authority to recommend custody restrictions to the dependency court...

 In the previous TMZ report they wrote:
None of our sources would say if the DCFS interviews turned up anything that would cause the agency to take action related to custody.

So ... first of all, the DCFS has not yet closed the investigation.  Secondly, even if the DCFS closes its case, it could still recommend custody restrictions.  So a closed investigation doesn't "clear" Brad.  But in the previous report, the "Angelina sources" were hopeful that there wouldn't be any custody restrictions on Brad.

Our sources also say there's a chance the whole divorce case could settle privately without any dueling divorce docs. And, we're told, on that goal both Angelina and Brad agree.

Remember, that at the time of this report, they didn't know that the DCFS was going to expand the investigation.  They thought the investigation was about to end.  That was why they were in such a hurry to let people know that Brad already had a "turning point" visit with Maddox.


Does it sound possible that in the span of two weeks they ceased to care about their children or about wanting to "heal" their family? After talking about their concern for their children and wanting their family to heal almost from the start?


The only new development since that earlier TMZ report on Oct 21 is the DCFS decided on Oct. 25 to expand the investigation -- and it remains open.

The DCFS investigation is open-ended; there is no deadline:

People
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The parties reached an initial agreement and standard operating procedure is that a DCFS investigation is open-ended; DCFS is under no deadline and there is no delay here, simply a continuation of an ongoing process,” the source adds.


The fact remains that the children are still being viewed by the DCFS as being "in danger."  If the investigation had closed we would certainly have heard about it.  As we saw when the DCFS decided to expand the investigation, all other sites had the news before TMZ came out with its report.

Until the investigation closes, the children are not safe in the eyes of the DCFS.

And until that changes Angelina needs to convince the DCFS that they don't need to put the children in foster homes because she will keep them away from any danger.

Recall TMZ
"A source connected with Angelina says this is not about alcohol ... she would never leave Brad if it was just a substance abuse problem. The source says this is all about protecting their children.

I am always open to other possible explanations but I need supporting proof, not conjecture. I have to put more weight on their actions and what they've said through their reps when trying to figure out their intentions.  Not what I think or hope or what's possible, but what is actually there.

And right now, what I have presented here is the best that I can make out based on everything they've said and done from the start.


-- Fussy

47 comments:

  1. Usually, the most logical explanation is the true one. In this case, seems that they both want the divorce now. Maybe she wanted reconciliation and he was offended how the whole iincident became public. Maybe he wanted reconciliation, and she thought that he crossed the line that could not be ever crossed. Maybe he would respond before, but he waited to be cleared from DCFS before filing. Maybe they would divorce even without incident, but that just speeded everything up. Whatever is the truth, it is very sad for the family. Hopefully, they can go through this and be eventually friends for their children sake.

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    1. What I wanted to say in the first sentence is : usually the most OBVIOUS explanation is the true one. Sorry.

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    2. Maybe they would divorce even without incident, but that just speeded everything up.
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      I choose that. I'm only a fan but for the razzi pics of the last year they were looking no well enough, something off, rarely together...

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  2. I think the DCFS investigation it is over or almost over and Brad and his team know that the chances of him being accuse for child abuse are nil therefore he`s confident about the joint custody. Such a sad ending for such a epic love story. I don`t even know what to say. I`m beyond sad.

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    1. Yes. Sadness with this news. What was thought to be an epic love story was something else entirely. All the reasoning to understand was for naught.

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    2. I doubt it. His filing means very little but will make him look slightly better for his promotion. all about his career.

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  3. Fussy, I am trying to hang on your explanation, but I am struggling at this point. I agree with Fiorella - I think that DCFS investigation is over and that he feels he is in good position to file. I don't think there is a danger of children being taken away at this point. If they wanted to stay together, they could. They went through therapy, and obviously that didn't help.

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  4. Was there a reason beyond want to file a response? Angie's filing would have stayed in a holding pattern on the books for at least 6 months. If Brad's response is late now, what difference would more time make?

    Wishing Angie the best of outcomes and hope she finds happiness and is content with her life as it takes on a new course. Past priorities will not be as easy to complete as she negotiates with her soon to be x regarding child issues. She can't travel with her children as she did before. Working in front of the camera will again become necessary to sustain her and children's lifestyle in her household.

    So sorry for their children who have many years ahead negotiating two households and the personalities they contain.

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  5. My first language is not English.(My poor English....) I am a foreinger. I worked in law office.

    After received a divorce petition, a reply too often delayed. (principle usually in 30)

    I am so so sad for JP KIDS.

    I predicted brad's reaction.
    California law.................. favors physical custody.
    who win?
    Angleina has eviences to gain sole physical custody?

    family law.......... trial.............. it does not mean a war in MY COUNTRY. the judge can order conciliation(negotiation) of family disputes

    Fussy, thank you for your posting.
    you know angelina is too brave&reckless(?)
    you know brad is too scary smart businessman&sly(?)

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  6. his response 5 days before allied premiere, maybe it is a strong indicator how bad the things are between them? he didnt wait for a few days for do it "less public" or with a low impact in media..
    speculation: they are very angry with each other right now

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    1. Mojo, It indicates he didn't want the abuse innuendo hanging over him and waited for DCFS to clear him and he filled. He is very PR savvy and its going to stop reporters asking any awkward questions. Now it will be all about Brad and who he will date sadly.Rest of the media and his fans will carry on attacking Angelina. And he will be painted as the best dad ever till he has more kids with other women.

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  7. Yeah. Maybe he was waiting to be cleared with the investigation all this time that's why he didn't respond earlier and waited till he gets cleared (I have a feeling the investigation is going to close soon with him being cleared) and now he has stronger position for getting the custody compared to when he was still under investigation. Maybe she had enough too? All I can make out of this news is that maybe it's for the better that they divorce than for them to be together miserably. Maybe she's better off without him and maybe he'll be happier without her. Or vice versa. Overall, very sad especially for the kids.

    Fussy, how does joint custody work? Is it the one where the kids gets to be with this parent for a week then spends the weekend with the other parent? Then holidays have to take turns? Is there a possibility that one parent gets to get the 3 kids and the other parent has the other 3?

    Brad is just starting to rebuild his relationship with his kids who was terrified of him about a month ago and now he is going to the court to fight their mother about the custody. I don't know how the kids are going to cope with up with this. So sad.

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  8. I'm sure its not a fair reaction, and spurred by the current news, but Brad's movie career is of no interest to me now. Allied can drop dead at the box office. Sorry, not sorry.

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  9. Fussy and everyone with knowledge, this might sound stupid but I'm gonna ask anyway. If in case that the DCFS findings is favouring Angelina's request, could Brad challenge that in court?

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    1. Yes he can but it's going to be messy for him to prove his innocence.

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    2. probably. the DCFS findings are a reference resource.
      selecting the DCFS findings is up to the judge.
      usually, the judge select the DCFS findings

      Brad reply---- the DCFS FINDINGS---- maybe, no favor,
      the DCFS FINDING is open ending.

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    3. Thank you guys for your reply.

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  10. Wouldn't DCFS findings be private or closed because of the children? Would the public even know? What is known to-date has been released from either side, rght?

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  11. DCFS findings are private. The family is notified but its against the law to release any finding to the public from the DCFS. So the case could be closed. Also with extended cases DCFS is given an additional 10 days for the investigation so it would have ended around this week.

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    1. "Brad will be in a much stronger position if DCFS closes the case before he files his answer." Bless your heart Fussy, you've tried so hard to reason a positive from their actions, but doesn't this statement confirm the end? He filed a divorce response.

      Sorry...my head is exploding.

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    2. It could also be a legal maneuver. If he got an extension to respond he had up to either 15 or 20 days. I sort of could see from a legal standpoint responding because you would want to have on record that you want joint custody as well. Because if you never respond it goes into default and then all of your rights could possibly be lost.

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  14. I'm going to wait for further comments from both parties' reps to see where would this possibly going. So many possibilities playing on my mind. Until then, prayers for both parents and children. May all of you be safe from everything against the unity of your family.

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  15. Brad's response to the divorce filing is suspicious in the timing with it so close to next week Allied premier. Is it a declaration of his being cleared with the investigation and he feels confident with the request for joint custody. It's still very sad that they are moving forward with the divorce. Poor children being moved from one house to another every few days.

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  16. Why haven't either of them made reference to a prenup or assets? Is it that there is none or...?

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    1. Sources close to the couple tell us their prenuptial agreement is ironclad and details the specifics of their combined fortune ... a reported $400 mil. https://t.co/7LWlnTA9b9

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    2. Ok thanks. I'm obviously a novice but does that mean they wouldn't have to list it in the petition?

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  17. "Is it possible then that in the span of two weeks they ceased to care about their children or about wanting to "heal" their family? After talking about their concern for their children and wanting their family to heal almost from the start?"

    I'm not sure about everything else. But this? Not possible. Period.

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    1. Yes, this is not possible. Their children were always their number one priority and I am sure that they still are and always will be.
      What I am not sure is if we interpret "healing of the family" the right way. They might mean that they want all of them to get through the divorce and function well, especially children - help them accept the new reality in the best possible way. A lot of families go through divorces every day and they manage to raise happy and healthy children. I am sure that is their goal, and maybe that is what they meant by those statements?

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    2. Sara, taking into account that they both want the divorce, "healing of the family" obviously mean healing the aftermath of the divorce.

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    3. At least that's the way I understands it.

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    4. Sad either way, I just had high hope they would reconnect whilst having counselling I guess they must not be talking to each other like the media did report.I just can't believe they both gave up so easily and didn't hold out and take time to rethink and work on their issues than just calling it a day by divorcing,Its so cold and calculating act.Sad day for the fans who held on hope.

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    6. Guest, while I still keep my hope very, very high, I also strongly believe that only Angie and Brad know what happen in their marriage. They're mature adults. They know the consequences of their act. I believe they didn't make the decision impulsively. Nobody file for divorce impulsively. They didn't give up easily. They've been together for 11 years. Long exceeding every expectation. It might seem so sudden and cold to us. It might had been long enough for them.

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    7. And when it's involving DCFS, who knows what on earth happen and have to be count in, in the decision making. Just my two cents :)

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    8. ITA who knows the truth apart from them, but i wished they had worked harder as they are breaking 6 kids hearts from divorcing, no matter how happy the kids maybe in teh future it still effects them.

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    9. Guest, I honestly wish the same. And totally agree it will hit the children the hardest. Lets pray that the parents will unite and wise enough in lessen the harmful effects to them.

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  18. i appreciate your analysis Fussy... this isn't making any sense to me right now, and call me crazy, but I'll hold on to Hope.... where there is HOPE, there are miracles waiting to happen. Granted that it's almost the holidays, may they rediscover each other and renew their Love .... here's hoping for a miracle for the family....

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  19. "So now we have a response.

    What to make of the decision to file 2 weeks after the deadline had lapsed? After explaining earlier that he wouldn't.
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    we don't know when Brad was served the divorce paper so the deadline

    The sites that reported was based on the date that Angelina asked for the divorce. But from what I'm reading only after the husband is served that beginning the period of 30 days

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  20. To me this proves that TMZ was clueless just like the other outlets. They assumed Brad wasn't going to respond just because he did not do that "in time", so they went on with the story that he wasn't going to reply for the sake of the kids, whereas he was just waiting...

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    1. Yes, they were clueless. They were just guessing : they said first that he was not filing for the sake of the children, then a few sentences down, they said a totally contradictory thing - he might be waiting to be cleared by child services to position himself better for a custody battle.
      Then yesterday, they just found out from the court that he filed the papers and this is the only thing they know. All other assumptions are, again, just guesses,

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    2. I just feel sad , extra sad foe Angelina for being blamed for everything and teh resentment will continue.Brad again comes out smelling of roses, will be praised for being a great dad blah blah and yet she will be vilified by everyone.I just can't believe it that they just gave up on each other so easily without a fight. PS TMZ has proven they know nothing despite quoting Angelina sources to discredit her.

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  21. PEOPLE REPORTED :The children remain continue to live with Jolie and a source close to the situation tells PEOPLE: “The kids are Angie’s sole focus. She’s cancelled everything else – work, everything. She’s been home each day, supporting them, helping them with homework, been there constantly. And no, this isn’t with a big staff of nannies and helpers.”....Shame Brad couldn't do the same for his family , its not like he could afford to get out of work.

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