Thursday, November 10, 2016

Random Fuzzy

Lets look at her statement more closely

Us: "The job of the DCFS is to make sure the children are in a safe and secure situation. As we said earlier this week, childcare professionals encouraged a legal agreement accepted and signed by both sides that was in the best interest of the children. Angelina said from the beginning that she felt she had to take action for the health of the family and is relieved that after their 8-week involvement, the DCFS is now satisfied the safeguards are put in place that will allow the children to heal."

First, she says "The job of the DCFS is to make sure the children are in a safe and secure situation."  It is notable that she does not mention anything about investigating abuse.  So she seems to be saying this is what she feels they should be focusing on.

She then proceeds to mention how they "encouraged" the legal agreement implying that that was the most valuable assistance they gave in making sure "the children are in a safe and secure situation" -- not the investigation which she didn't mention.

"childcare professionals encouraged a legal agreement accepted and signed by both sides that was in the best interest of the children." She reminds us about the legal agreement they were "encouraged" to have that was in "the best interest of the children.   But she doesn't mention again that under the terms of the agreement she would have custody while Brad would have "therapeutic visits."

Recall from Judy Smith's remarks, "“This is what Brad and Angelina have decided between each other for the children."  So while they were "encouraged," they made the decision together and on their own and the agreement does not involve the DCFS.  From the People article (reposted in part below) it is clear that Brad dislikes the DCFS and their "childcare professionals" and his PR wanted to emphasize (via  E!) that "there were no childcare professionals involved with last week's temporary voluntary agreement."

Recall that ET said they had" spoken directly to reach their own temporary custody arrangement"

"Angelina said from the beginning that she felt she had to take action for the health of the family and is relieved that after their 8-week involvement, the DCFS is now satisfied the safeguards are put in place that will allow the children to heal."

Recall Robert Offer's statement:   "Angelina Jolie Pitt has filed for dissolution of the marriage. This decision was made for the health of the family.

She is linking publicly for the first time her decision to file for divorce with the DCFS' abuse investigations -- but avoids mentioning either.  And again emphasizes that she did it "for the health of the family" -- and that's everyone including Brad. 

"she felt she had to take action" emphasizes that the "action" which was filing for dissolution was something she was forced to take, not something she wanted otherwise. 

She is also directly linking why she "had to take action for the health of the family" with her relief that "the DCFS is now satisfied"  In other words, she felt DCFS' involvement was a threat to the health of the family.

"relieved that after their 8 week involvement the DCFS is now satisfied that safeguards are put in place that will allow the children to heal"

DCFS is satisfied that the safeguards embodied in the legal agreement will allow the children to heal.  They are now sure that the children are in a safe and secure situation. 

Citing the "8-week" period emphasizes the length of the DCFS' involvement and how much work they did while also hinting that she thinks it it may have dragged on too long and she had grown weary. 

Recall that:  "Sources tell us Angelina was cooperative but her endgame is for the whole thing to just go away."

That she is relieved that after 8 weeks they were satisfied implies that she wishes it had happened sooner.

This puts her in agreement with Brad's earlier statement that I believe was in reference to the DCFS: "they have threatened to jeopardize his family’s ability to heal and move forward.”

She further implies that the end of the DCFS' prolonged involvement means there is less of a threat to the health of the family.  But she doesn't say that the threat and the need for the action is over.

I think she too may have been chafing under the restrictions that were imposed under the safety plan.   Since he was all alone and the subject of a protective order, Brad's position was far worse.  I think they both probably felt that their family would heal sooner under a less stringent regime.

But perhaps what she didn't mention is just as important as what she did:

She avoided mentioning anything or using any term that could be upsetting to Brad.

She avoided directly mentioning the divorce -- so "she took action" instead of she "filed for dissolution"

She mentions the legal agreement but does not mention again that she keeps custody while Brad has "therapeutic visitation"

She avoided directly mentioning the abuse investigation -- it was the "8 week involvement" of the DCFS instead of their "abuse investigation"

She doesn't give any indication of what she thinks of the safeguards put in place by the DCFS.  Only that she is relieved that after 8 weeks, they are satisfied.

She doesn't mention or make any reference to Brad's problems: weed, alcohol, and anger management,

She doesn't mention or give any hint of any conflict or any incident on a plane or anywhere.

The only thought or emotion expressed is that she is "relieved."

She is the only one mentioned by name but as noted above there is nothing in the statement that Brad would object to or might be sensitive about.

And perhaps that is why Brad did not release any statement of his own.  It was written in a way that it could tacitly be his statement too. 

As the first statement said, "We believe that all sides are committed to healing the family."


Smith added these remarks:

Another source, however, tells ET that "just because the DCFS investigation is over and Brad was cleared, doesn't mean they didn't necessarily find anything. There is a reason that Brad and Angelina are still sticking to the safety plan originally put in place by DCFS. His visits are still monitored with a therapist."


Recall from Smith's remarks, "Back when Angelina first filed for divorce, she said that the reason she filed was for the safety and health and well-being of the kids"

Have those objectives have now been met?


If he is ever asked, Brad is unlikely to express much appreciations for the DCFS. 
“The last few weeks have been tough for Brad,” a source close to the family tells PEOPLE in this week’s issue. “He has been very unhappy with the arrangement to see his kids.”

Brad doesn’t want supervised visits,” says the source. “He loves his kids and wants to spend more time with them.”

I think you can understand now why it was Angelina's rep who had to release the statement and why it was not a joint statement because it involves supervised visits which he strongly dislikes.  If it was something he was happier with then you might see a joint statement.

But even though he "doesn't want" supervised visits, he signed an agreement that doesn't stipulate an end date for them.  So like I said earlier, it shows he trusts that Angelina will not try to keep them in place longer than necessary.  Given that he is "very unhappy" with supervised visits he is placing a lot of faith in her when he agreed to make the agreement valid "indefinitely." 

Contracts and agreements have end dates for a reason, the fact that theirs doesn't despite Brad's feelings on supervised visitation is no small matter and gives a hint on the current status of their relationship.


Smith said "This is a good sign, it is the first step. This means one issue is now off the table for them.”

Most people assume the "issue" she is referring to is custody in the context of the divorce  proceedings.  But since she no longer needs to keep the petition in place, it probably involves allowing Maddox to heal at the pace the"childcare professionals" feel he needs.  It may have been something Angelina was also concerned about.

Why was the legal agreement necessary?  The childcare professionals who "encouraged" them probably felt it was important to have a legal agreement in place.  It guarantees that the children, especially Maddox, will continue with the program they are currently on to help them heal.

Why was a confidentiality agreement necessary?  Perhaps because the agreement makes mention of why the children need therapeutic visitation from Brad.  It may quote from the findings of the investigations and whatever assessments were made.

Why did they need to announce the legal agreement?  So people would understand why the children need to stay with Angelina.  And why even as they work to "heal" the family, they need to live apart.

What other "issues" could there be that we are unaware of?  Brad's substance abuse and anger management problems? -- but DCFS would have required him to address those by now

They did not have contact for almost 2 months -- largely because of the restrictions imposed in the safety plan.  But 2 stressful months wherein they couldn't communicate directly to explain or coordinate while a storm whirled around them may have given rise to minor irritants that they also need to straighten out. 

On the other hand there have been many signs that they indeed are working to bring their family together even when there was no direct contact between them.  There are other ways to communicate after all.

I've gone over these before so I'll just list them quickly:

As noted above, Angelina's statement that could speak for both of them

The trust that Brad is placing on Angelina when he signed an open-ended legally binding agreement that holds him to supervised therapeutic visitations which he strongly dislikes.

The enthusiasm that "sources close to Angelina"  expressed for Brad's first meeting with Maddox which they described as a turning point

Brad's trust in Angelina when he left himself in default for 2 weeks, and Angelina's trust in Brad when she did not seek a default judgement during that time

By holding off announcing the legal agreement for over a week while Brad mulled over whether he would file a response with his largely symbolic request for joint custody.  It is largely symbolic because if the divorce where to really proceed, no divorce judge would award a person who is legally bound to having supervised therapeutic visitation with joint custody. 

So why did he file a very late response?  His reps kept saying that it shows he will fight for his children and perhaps that is the answer.  He filed because he wants to be able to show to his kids that he was willing to fight for them as he tries to repair his relationship with them

And why was the legal agreement not filed in their divorce? An important legal document covering custody that runs indefinitely not being filed in the divorce is another sign that the divorce petition will likely be short-lived.

There are others:  Angelina not asking that her name be restored, their "iron clad" prenup not being mentioned in either Angelina's petition or Brad's response.

Angelina's reps' constant use of "Angelina Jolie Pitt"

As Judy Smith said, "Back when Angelina first filed for divorce, she said that the reason she filed was for the safety and health and well-being of the kids and that has been her consistent point of view from the beginning. Nothing has changed.”

Smith is reiterating that the filing was never about issues in their relationship.  That it was always about the kids.  And from what I posted above, it is specifically about the DCFS' involvement until it  was satisfied about the "safeguards" for the kids.  And as also noted above, it is the "action" -- having "filed" that mattered.

On the other hand why is Brad not wearing his ring and other jewelry symbolic of his family?

I think the answer precisely lies in the word "symbolic." They like to give each other gifts with meaning:  jewelry they designed for each other with little messages, or drawings of their kids.  Right now what the jewelry symbolizes isn't true:  they're not together, their family is still broken, they're living apart.  I think she may have taken hers off earlier when she filed.  They could have a ceremony and renew their vows when this is over. 

Why does Brad still look deeply unhappy?  For the foreseeable future he will be living alone since he is still required to have "therapeutic visitation." But there is already light at the end of the tunnel.  And we've only seen distant shots from the back of Angelina, we don't know how she really looks.

Why hasn't Angelina filed to Request the Dismissal of her petition?   

One possibility is that she will wait to have it dismissed when there is no longer any need for "therapeutic visitations." But it isn't clear to me why that would be necessary.

We learned about the legal agreement more than a week after it was signed and for all we know it may have been already been filed.  But there are no clues I can see.

So it would we be interesting to see what succeeding "steps" Judy Smith had in mind when she said the legal agreement was the first.


Brad has long disliked the DCFS

From earlier:
(He) has been absolutely devastated and heartbroken by the events of the past several weeks, both in terms of how those events have been wrongfully portrayed and how they  have threatened to jeopardize his family’s ability to heal and move forward.”

And I believe the"they" he is referring to is the DCFS.

Some people have asked if Brad could have been referring to the person who anonymously reported him for abuse.  Although he undoubtedly would have preferred that no one had filed a report, if the social workers who met the plane and interviewed everyone felt there was nothing serious worth investigating it would not have involved a safety plan.

Brad has been miserable these past few weeks because of the restrictions placed on him by the DCFS' safety plan, and the recommendations of the therapists that have imposed rules on visitation.  If the DCFS wasn't so strict he wouldn't have been so miserable.  He feels that limiting his contact with his family is what is threatening to jeopardize his family's ability to heal and move forward. 

“The last few weeks have been tough for Brad,” a source close to the family tells PEOPLE in this week’s issue. “He has been very unhappy with the arrangement to see his kids.”
So I believe Brad's ire is focused on them - the therapists and social workers and the DCFS -- not the one who reported. 

And yes, he's unhappy with the media reporting too.

The earlier statement

"We can confirm that childcare professionals have encouraged a legal agreement accepted and signed by both sides over a week ago. In accordance with this agreement, the six children will stay in their mother's custody, and the children will continue therapeutic visits with their father. This has been determined by childcare professionals to be in the children's best interest."

We are not in a position to discuss the details. We hope now that it is clear that the events which led to the dissolution filing involved minor children and their wellbeing , there will be understanding of the sensitivity of the family situation.  We believe that all sides are committed to healing the family and ask for your consideration during this difficult time."

Judy Smith later said
 “This is what Brad and Angelina have decided between each other for the children.  The agreement is also indefinite, so there is no time frame to it, it is in place until they decide to make a change... This is a good sign, it is the first step. This means one issue is now off the table for them.”
Back when Angelina first filed for divorce, she said that the reason she filed was for the safety and health and well-being of the kids and that has been her consistent point of view from the beginning. Nothing has changed.”

-- Fussy


  1. Fussy, do you think now that the case it`s over Brad`s sources will start to talk about reconciliation?

    1. Fiorella, I pray Brad doesn't personally blame Angelina and nor does Angelina blame him anymore and I hope they overcome their issues.I pray they do talk about reconciliation and not let outside sources tear them apart.

  2. I don't think they'll "talk" about it beforehand. We'll only hear after.

    1. Fussy, thanks again for being positive and seeing things clearly for both sides.Sometimes in out anger and despair we tend to be emotional and not see facts. I wanted to ask someone mentioned that Daily Mail said a rep for Angie told TMZ she is planning to give evidence of abuse to a judge to get full custody, but when you go to the link they provided you find it was a "source" that said that, not a rep". This type of outright slander against Angelina is uncalled for and grounds to sue these publications . I know she hasn't any chance to sue any American Media but really how can they get away with slanderous defamation articles against her.

    2. We don't know the real truth no one does.And we shouldn't be lead by media hearsay LIES they are out to destroy a family that they had targeted for past 12 years so that is expected. Unfortunately Angelina always is the main target as she is a women that will never change, its a mans world. Brad is stuck in a rock and hard place he can't do anything right at the moment due to the restrictions forced upon him, and knowing Angelina she will never harm him.

    3. Here is the email address to Bert Fields office its for media inquiries sent a complaint there

  3. Fussy, I hope they are not still angry and not personally blaming each other for this incident and time has healed the wounds.Angelina's language in her statements has been cool and collective Brad I know can't say anything due to the ongoing case but his sources are angry and you are right his anger is towards the services and I hope not Angelina.

  4. People was wrong many times , it is a tabloid . I only trust legit news. That's why Fussy i don't think Brad allowed his "sources" to say he's fed up of DCFS .Do you imagine? He's not in a good place to whine to gossips trash.

  5. Fussy Angelina filed for the health of the family
    Isuppose Brad knows it.
    So what is the purpose to take the ring off?

  6. So many people are saying that Brad looks better and younger after the premiere. I guess Hate it`s blind.

  7. "(He) has been absolutely devastated and heartbroken by the events of the past several weeks, both in terms of how those events have been wrongfully portrayed and how they (the DCFS) have threatened to jeopardize his family’s ability to heal and move forward.”

    Fussy i don't agree , it makes more sense that the "abuse reporter " wrongfuly reported the event and jeopardize his family hability to heal, and not DFCS

    1. I agree. I said the same thing yesterday. He is angry at whoever reported that (he knows who that was) and thinks that he was wronged by that action.

    2. Even with the report, if the social workers who responded and interviewed the family didn't feel there was anything worth investigating it would have ended there.
      Brad has been miserable the past few weeks because of the actions and recommendations of the therapists and social workers of the DCFS. His ire is focused on them, not the reporter.

    3. Fussy, just one more comment on what you added at the end of your analysis - that DCFS people, who met the plane, would ended it there if there was nothing to investigate. From what I know about workings of social services, this is not that simple - ones that can of worms is open, it's open. If they had complain they had to investigate and that couldn't possibly be done that night. Social workers and therapists just do their job and I don't get why would he be angry at them. He might be angry at someone who, by his oppinion, put him in the position that he has to answer to the authorities about, again, what he thinks is a meter that should have been dealt in the family. He might also be angry at Angie that she wasn't enough on his side, or at other people in the plane who testified. That is just my oppinion, but I do appreciate your take on it.

    4. Also, "wrongfully portrayed" might refer to how he thinks events were portrayed in the press. Who actually knows what he thinks? What is sure to me is that his feeling are hurt and that he blames others for how things played out.

    5. Perhaps not one night but even if dragged on a bit. I don't think he would have minded as much if he wasn't so isolated and treated like someone very dangerous. I think it's his treatment -- what he had to comply with rather than the fact there was investigation that made him upset.
      He doesn't see the need for the restrictions and the supervised visitation that is why he is angry. He doesn't agree with the assessment of the therapists. He doesn't think they're necessary. That's why his friends said the last few weeks were hard on him and he doesn't want supervised visitation because he wants to see his children more.

    6. Fussy, some people are speculating and TMZ is alluding as factual that the reason he took the ring and neckles off and is angry is that he blames Angelina for calling DCFS and she was the one who called them.SMH

    7. First of all, ever since Smith sent the statement to all outlets WITHOUT providing TMZ a copy beforehand TMZ has been on the warpath against Angelina. So I do not believe ANYTHING TMZ posts on them because they are angry and striking back.
      Secondly, In the print edition of People I posted, Angelina already denied that she called or asked anyone to call.
      If he believed that she called, he would have believed that from the start. They were interviewed as soon as the plane landed. But as you recall he was pleading with her that he still loved her and was ready to do anything.
      So I believe he removed them because they are symbols of their relationship and their unity and the family is currently broken

    8. I think the reason they think she called is because they misinterpreting the line in her statement "she felt she had to take action for the health of the family" they think it refers to contacting the DCFS. They don't remember that she said that when she filed for divorce.

    9. Thanks Fussy, I forgot about that.What's sad is that if the reports about him pleading with her are true, which confirms he and her were not having major ongoing issues as others suggest, then its sad Angelina allowed her anger to take over, but I can see her reasoning as they were in dire serious situation with all these authorities breathing down their necks as soon as the plane landed that alone is scary and embarrassing for both of them,that's where her own happiness with him took back seat and the kids took priority over his pleading.I just hoped her and his anger with each other would have subsided by now, but alas doesn't seem to be the case.
      I just found it disheartening Brad would remove his jewelry so quickly which was more symbolic in more ways than one.If he's done that so quickly he must have already removed every trace of her from his houses all her photos etc.

    10. Fussy, TMZ are really making a fool of themselves trying to blame everything on Angelina despite knowing what she has said and hasn't said.Its a clever ploy on their part as its getting the site more hits and more money for them.The Evil Angelina story sells more than the poor old Brad.

  8. I pray to God you are so right Fussy. Thanks so much!

  9. Fussy, I've been trying to post something under the amount of characters but somewhat lengthy. What could be the issue

    1. Not with me. Post as much as you want

    2. Fussy when are you going to post your next Random Fuzzy thoughts?

  10. So what`s next? Pax birthday is in a couple weeks. What will Brad and Angie do? If they don`t do anything regarding the divorce will it be final by march or April of next year, Right? They have to do something and fast.

  11. Fussy Jolie's rep stated the investigation was for 8 weeks that so if so and you look at a calendar that would probably fall around the day or two they got off that plane on Sept 14rh, just crazy!

    1. Sept. 14 is when the incident took place and the DCFS met them at the airport to interview them so yeah it's about right

  12. Ok I have a theory about the. Ring and necklace.... call me dreamy, but I still believe in their deep love for each other...
    What if Brad asked Angie to hold on to the ring and necklace while they are in the healing process? I can imagine e them talking and him asking her to hold on to them and when she feels she's ready to accept him as a husband and father again, she will be the one to put the ring back on his finger and necklace upon his neck as a symbol of their vows and love for each ther?

    1. Hi Unknown ;) I actually close my eyes and try to imagine the situation :D

    2. I know we can only pray and dream... pray that everything will work out for them as a couple and as a family

  13. Fussy, maybe the reason why Angelina is not filing for the dismissal of her divorce petition yet is that, maybe, she is still trying to see if they can fix their relationship? They have not seen each other not talked to each other for 2 months. And when you're stressed out, 2 months could feel a lot longer. It might have strained their relationship. Maybe she's still trying to figure out if they can repair their broken relationship and patch things up and become couple again? And if it's beyond repair, then she'll go on with the divorce? Just a thought.

  14. The American show THE VIEW just started and will discuss Angelina Jolie within this hour (I'm 11am est) and unfortunately it suggests it won't be flattering. The promo intro asks the question (this is not verbatim) "Is the way Angelina Jolie handling her divorce from Brad Pitt going to damage both of their careers?"

    I can't stand it. I support both but I'm so outdone by how blame has always landed in her lap no matter what the facts show to the contrary. I'm not going to dump on him because I personally believe he's truly messed up inside and anyone who can't see that is in my opinion in denial but, that said, he IS the one who indeed messed up and that needs to be acknowledged when reporting on it by the media (tall task to ask right lol.)

  15. Oh oh, I think (I'm sure) Angelina's and/or Brad's team has shut it down because she/he were not mentioned once after opening blurb and the show just ended.

    1. LOL, I saw it too, I was just waiting and I figured they must have been contacted. That's what they get bunch of gossiping betty's. I was dreading what I was about to hear and was relived it was never discussed.

    2. neveragain I was starting to wonder if it was my imagination so thanks for letting me know it wasn't. Wow! I love it. They shut it down and I notice that no mags or rags have had covers since almost the beginning of this. Since it's Angelina's people who let Perez and also Melissa Etheridge, I'm going to give them/her the credit for this. She's (AJ) letting the world know she's not kidding about protecting her kids.

    3. For sure , it's Angelina's people, it's about time, there are still plenty gossips here and there , and eventualy some are threatened

    4. Melody Harmony, I believe it's Angelina's but I leave wiggle room for Brad to be proactive.

  16. Good ridance , these shows are bunch of bigots

  17. Fussy have you seen that ET has updated their story?

    1. I saw the updated story. The thing is DCFS cleared him for the physical abuse but something tells me he has areas that need to probably be worked on so in their recommendations they probably put it safeguards and he had to agree to the before they closed the case. That is why he probably still has to do the "therapeutic therapy" with the kids still. The family has a lot to overcome.

    2. Thanks, just posted the edit about Brad voluntarily choosing to have his visits monitored.
      I think they're reining in their respective PRs.

    3. There is less agressivity from his PR team.

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