Saturday, November 5, 2016

Random Fuzzy

I continued to wonder about this line from the earlier Us report

The protective order against the actor, 52, has been extended as investigators look into whether there are additional incidents or a pattern that may suggest a history of abuse that involves more than one of Pitt and Angelina Jolie’s six children.

Is there a protective order against Brad?

DCFS Glossary

Emergency Protective Order (EPO)

Restraining Order
An order issued by the court, which enjoins a person from engaging in a specified behavior or activity, limits the distance a person may approach a specific location and/or person, or excludes a person from a specific dwelling or place of business.  See “Emergency Protective Order.”

An ex-prate temporary restraining order issued by the Superior Court following a determination by law enforcement that a child is in immediate danger of abuse by a member of a child’s family or household.  An EPO may exclude any parent, guardian or member of a child’s household from the dwelling of the person having the care, custody, and control of the child.  EPO allow children to remain in their home while allegations of child abuse by the restrained parties are investigated and allow the non-offending parent time to seek assistance from Family Law Court.  EPO expire at the close of the second day of judicial business following the day of issuance.  EPO may only be extended by application to the appropriate court.  See “Ex-Prate Order,” “Judicial Business Hours” and “Restraining Order.”

I don't recall any other report using the term.

DCFS - Los Angeles

Frequently Asked Questions
(Relevant, Select)

What are the different kinds of child abuse?

PHYSICAL: Shaking, beating, burning, failure to provide necessities of life (e.g., adequate food, clothing, shelter, medical care). A child is physically injured by other than accidental means. A child is being subjected to willful cruelty or unjustifiable punishment.

VERBAL: Excessive yelling, belittling, teasing.

What is the difference between discipline and abuse?
Abuse is characterized by its orientation toward satisfying needs or expressing the negative feelings of parents or other caregivers. ...

Safe, effective discipline is a correction given in love. In evaluating methods of guiding their children's behavior, parents or guardians need to ask themselves: Is the discipline...
  • carefully related to the offense?
  • administered in the calmness of conviction rather than in the heat of anger?
  • fair, weighing heavily in consideration of the child, occasional and of brief duration?
  • free from physical violence (e.g., look of reproach, scolding or the taking away of a valued privilege)?

What happens after a report is made?

The social worker or law enforcement officer on duty will speak to the person making the report in order to obtain information about the child. The kind of information needed includes:
  • what type of abuse has occurred?
  • who or what caused the abuse?
  • is the child still in danger or in need of medical care?
The agency receiving the report will determine how to proceed based on the information available. All reports which describe situations that fall within statutory definitions of abuse/neglect will receive a response. What the response is and how quickly it will be made, depend on the seriousness of the events reported and the situation the child faces. Where it appears the child is still in danger, the response will be immediate. Not all reports are serious enough to require the assistance of a law enforcement agency. In these cases, the family may be contacted only by the child welfare agency.

The investigations by the child welfare agency and law enforcement are conducted separately. The child welfare agency will concern itself with the welfare of the child and family. Law enforcement will focus on obtaining evidence to determine whether a crime has been committed and by whom.

What does the social worker do?

The social worker interviews the child and family to evaluate the situation. The worker, whose primary responsibility is the PROTECTION OF THE CHILD, may offer services to help reduce the problems of the family and child. These include:
referrals to self-help groups
assistance in obtaining medical care, emergency shelter, transportation
temporary in-home caretaker to help parents and children

Does a report mean a child will be taken away

NO! Most reports of child abuse do not result in children being removed from their families. The first goal is to enable the child to remain safely in higher own home.   If this is not possible, the social worker must remove the child from the home and place him/her in a foster home. If it is necessary in order to protect the child, the child welfare agency also is authorized to arrange emergency, temporary foster care. 

Are children taken away forever?

California has strict rules about removal of children from families. However, because children are vulnerable, the law also affords them significant protection. Peace officers are authorized to take an endangered child into protective custody place the child in the care of the child protection agency.

This initial emergency removal is allowed by law without a warrant for 48 hours, not counting holidays and weekends. Should the child protection agency decide that the child cannot yet return safely to the home, the agency must immediately ask the Superior Court, Juvenile Division, to hold a hearing to determine if continued removal is necessary. 

What happens if the court orders removal of a child from the home?

If the Juvenile Division decides that it is necessary to remove a child from the home, several possibilities exist:
  • the child may be placed with the other parent, if they are separated or divorced
  • the child may be placed with relatives, or
  • in a foster or group home
Where the child goes depends on the needs of the child. The court will order that the parents and the child protection agency work together to reunite the family as quickly as possible. ....

Our sources say this incident triggered Jolie to separate from Brad the next day and file for divorce just days later.


  1. Just WOW the seriousness of this situation amazed me.

  2. The things seems worst with any new info. Sad for all them.

  3. Sorry, my english is not my lenguage so DCFS is not closed yet? There is a true info or just speculation?

    1. The DCFS investigation is still ongoing. It is "open-ended" -- no deadline.

    2. Ok. I was thinking that why he is ask for the joint custody when he is still investigated for DCFS? So is possible even if the investigation is not closed.
      Thanks for your answer

  4. Fussy, do you still think there is any hope for Brad and Angie as a couple? Yesterday made me think no. But I just don`t get it. I know that the situation is serious but these is a couple that went trough so much together. And now just give up like that? No to mention that this ugly divorce will screw up the kids and their relationship with their father. The kids will blame Brad for all of this. Some of them already have a problem with him.

  5. I haven't yet seen anything that leads me to doubt my earlier conclusions. We need to wait and see: a) what the DCFS' final recommendations are, and b) how they react to those recommendations.

    1. Fussy, I don't think we'll know unless they choose to tell. However, is a protective order a private or public matter? Would a protective order land someone on a 'list' or is that reserved only for convictions?

      This feels like a false lead to me. Looking here while missing what happened over there.

    2. She has consistently said it is all about "protecting her children"
      "A source connected with Angelina says this is not about alcohol ... she would never leave Brad if it was just a substance abuse problem. The source says this is all about protecting their children."
      " "Angelina is devastated that it has come to this but will do everything in her power to protect her family"
      "Angelina, we're told, has a singular focus ... protecting her kids, not punishing Brad."

    3. Thanks Fussy. Yeah, Let`s wait and see.

  6. I understand very well your theory Fussy. I agree for the most part.
    But now that Brad has filed his answer , for joint custody, does it mean there is no more investigation or CPS monitoring?
    Ad if CPS is no more involved, why answer? Angelina could have request a dismissal later .

    1. I don't get that either about his filing. The divorce doesn't seem to go anywhere while the investigation is still ongoing. Only explanation is he feels confident about his position of getting joint custody thus he is going through the divorce. Sad after 12 years of being together and all obstacles they had overcome.

  7. Or it means he couldn't trust Angelina for the dismissal?
    Because he had big to lose , the custody of the chidren
    it's not that simple.

  8. I surely hope and pray that you are right Fussy. Even though he responded , both can withdraw their petitions later... they have 6 mos right? Slit can happen even before Christmas... and I am hoping and praying for a Christmas miracle...

  9. I meant to say A lot can happen

  10. Exactly it's a serious situation and for the fans to think Angelina would deal with this lightly and not really mean the divorce is nuts. It's a sad situation because I do believe Angelina does still love or care about him because it all happened too fast... now she may bit be talking to him and any reconciliation would require mutual communication

    1. There's something that's starting to feel so acrimonious here and it's whats blowing my mind. Of course I have no idea if that's true but it's just starting to feel less than calm and it sucks because they really seemed to have a relationship rooted in friendship. He at least was her closets confidant and that's her words.

  11. Also I think the tidbit about Angelina giving up everything for her kids ... work and everything could be a bit of shade thrown at Brad because he has work coming up. Angelina is no doubt about her kids well being but there's a bug question mark around Brad when it comes to the kids .