Saturday, November 5, 2016





Random Fuzzies



TMZ broke the news of Brad's response at 4:44 PDT  yesterday.  They previously also broke the news about Angelina's filing


So far, what we know as facts from the her petition and his response is:

She wants sole physical custody with visitation and joint legal custody

He want joint physical and legal custody

She did not ask for her name to be changed back to Angelina Jolie from Angelina Jolie Pitt

She did not mention a prenup or ask for spousal or child support.

He also did not mention a prenup or spousal or child support.



So they have an "iron clad" prenup that neither is seeking to enforce?

TMZ
Sources close to the couple tell us their prenuptial agreement is ironclad and details the specifics of their combined fortune ... a reported $400 mil.
Brangelina have 12 total properties together ... all of which they snatched up either before they were married or before they were even dating. 7 of those belong to Brad, 2 to Angie and 3 which they bought together prior to tying the knot in 2014.
It's unclear who exactly shelled out what for those 3 properties, which include a vineyard in France, a mansion in New Orleans and an apartment in NY ... but we're told the prenup makes divvying all that up simple.

I previously posted that in a discussion shortly after Angelina filed for divorce in USAToday, a divorce attorney said,

 "It's significant that Jolie mentioned nothing about a prenup in her divorce petition.
"Usually when we (lawyers) file a petition, if there is a prenup we indicate that — unless we don't like it," says Hallin. "When (Pitt) files his response, he will say in there whether he wants to enforce (a prenup)."

But he didn't mention it either.

And nothing on child support from either of them.

From Angelina's petition, the section on support and property.




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A reader (Bia) pointed out that CNN
Pitt cites irreconcilable differences and asked the judge to grant him more time to figure out a property agreement. Together the couple own homes in Los Angeles, New Orleans and France.
So they don't agree on custody but he will figure out a property agreement for both of them.

Interesting isn't it that their "prenup makes divvying all that up simple" but he didn't mention it and is asking for "more time to figure out a property agreement."

Time.

More time.

I speculated in my previous post that his response was buying them time, keeping the divorce petition credibly in place while they wait for the DCFS to close its investigation


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It took him one month + 2 weeks to file his response.

Actually he had one month + 2 weeks + 2 days to think about his reponse:

People
"“He is just wrecked by this,”“He got a heads-up [about the filing] two days before


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When the temporary recommendations were first released by the DCFS

TMZ
We're told Angelina agreed with recommendation because her focus is to "heal" her family and her children.

At the time, I noted  "The 2nd to last line in TMZ's post was edited from the original "We're told Angelina is happy with the agreement and her focus is to "heal" her family." to  "We're told Angelina agreed with recommendation because her focus is to "heal" her family and her children."

...The new sentence acknowledges that the family as a unit needs healing and that the children as individuals also need healing.  It is also in line with her rep's statement that she will "do what's in the best interest of taking care of her family"


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So from the filings, the only thing that is clear is that they disagree on custody.

When TMZ reported on Brad's first meeting with Maddox:
 Sources connected with Angelina tell us the 2 met Wednesday afternoon with a therapist present. There had been a plan in place for Brad and Maddox to reunite a while back, but we're told the therapist felt the timing wasn't right.

The sources say Brad has had visits with his 5 other kids before Wednesday, but the face-to-face with Maddox is a turning point.

Our Angelina sources say, even though she's headed to divorce court, she still wants their family to function with a fully involved father and mother.

"She wants their family to function with a fully involved father and mother."

I already noted that that has a different meaning from saying "she wants their children to have a fully involved father and mother."

After divorce, the "family" as a unit ceases to exist.   If they are living separate lives you will have a mother + children and a father + children but they are no longer a "family."

In one of the few articles Mary Green wrote for People just days after she filed on Sept. 24.
"A family member exclusively tells PEOPLE "Her family is broken and she is in agony. Her children are recovering from the events that brought about the filing of the divorce"

That is why for her "healing the family is the priority."

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The People article reporting on Brad's response was edited to add the following:

The children remain continue to live with Jolie and a source close to the situation tells PEOPLE: “The kids are Angie’s sole focus. She’s cancelled everything else – work, everything. She’s been home each day, supporting them, helping them with homework, been there constantly. And no, this isn’t with a big staff of nannies and helpers.”

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It bears remembering:
 A source connected with Angelina says this is not about alcohol ... she would never leave Brad if it was just a substance abuse problem. The source says this is all about protecting their children.
another source previously told Us. “She wants them to have a relationship with him once their health and safety is assured.”



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For the investigative sleuths, from Brad's response we know that the divorce petition is
case no BD 646 058 and is being heard by Judge K Diesman, Dept 27


-- Fussy


38 comments:

  1. Our Angelina sources say, even though she's headed to divorce court, she still wants their family to function with a fully involved father and mother.

    A "fully involved [divorced] father and mother".

    Its word salad to me.

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    1. That's tabloids for you still have no clue.I Angelina through out has remained consistent and truthful about healing the family and Brads involvement ion it, she never excluded him.And that angers me more that Brad couldn't see than and looks like he still doesn't.

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  2. Fussy People are wrong about
    "“He is just wrecked by this,”“He got a heads-up [about the filing] two days before" his papers state date of separation 15th September so he KNEW. It's just the tabloids didn't know.

    Fussy I thank you for your posts I was with you all teh long trying to see some positive but alas this new news takes all the hope of reconciliation away and gives the "health of the family" a different meaning , it looks like they were saying being apart is more healthy than together ALAS.

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    1. Then that would be the health of individuals. A family that is broken through divorce is no longer a family.

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    2. Fussy you always give hope and that's one think I like about you and this blog. The "family" word is used continuously in tier statements so cryptly they throw me off again LOL.

      Fussy Can I ask do you still think there is a chance still or this is it? Just wanted your take on it.

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    3. Being a long time Angelina fan, I know that she uses some words in a different and specific way. For example, she would call her mother - she is my friend. She said many times that Brad is her family - he is not only my husband, he is my family. She will probably call him family even if divorced, which is actually true - they will be connected for the rest of their lives. My point is, she might be talking about her family as a family, even though the parents are divorcing.

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    4. Sara, I get what you are saying, but when making statements via lawyers and legal staements I very much doubt she uses words that she normally uses in her daily language.The wording in very statement are very thought through and agreed upon and give a clear message of no divide and that's why I agree with Fussy that both Brad and Angelina are giving a different message to what media's personal interpretation of spin is.Again we are just saying.

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    5. Guest, it may, very well, be what you are saying. Yes, we are all just thinking aloud and trying, with a help of Fussy, to make some sense of this mess

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    6. Sara, one thing is Angelina is very intelligent and she knows the media very well,she will never put out anything that she doesn't mean especially a statement of this importance. If she wanted to make a point she would have used words like "her kids and excluded Brad altogether", that is if she wanted to but she did not she included him and even her lawyer named him. I know some will say we are grasping at every little hope but I hope it becomes reality.I hope for this families sake we are right and they get back together, as at the end of the day no one likes to see a family this large let alone any family breakup.

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  3. Fussy
    Did You see this part in People?
    “Brad and Angie haven’t had any contact, and it’s all being worked out via their teams,” said the family source recently. “It’s just a sad situation.”..IF and I mean IF this is true then I cant believe it as i'd have thought the family counselling they would have contact. And IF they have had no contact then this is more sadder that they allowed to be divorced than actually work through the problems together, just sad sad situation.Looks like they gave up too easily.

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    1. I don't believe People has good sources. The only reliable statements they can get are from Bert Fields and he would only comment on the case or on Angelina.

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    2. ITA Fussy, they are just adding on fiction as they have NO access to either camp for past weeks and even now. I just wished the scenario the reasoning we thought as to why we think Angelina had initially filled for divorce were true, but sadly with Brad responding which I know he had to as it was either that or lose custody in Angelina's favor. I just had high hope for this duration that they were working on counselling for themselves too not only kids.

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  4. "As it stands based on the above facts, they could get divorced and she would still legally be Angelina Jolie Pitt, their properties would still not be split and there would be no provision on who would support the children. "

    Fussy i son't know if its true but is from CNN

    "Pitt cites irreconcilable differences and asked the judge to grant him more time to figure out a property agreement. Together the couple own homes in Los Angeles, New Orleans and France. "

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/04/media/brad-pitt-angelina-jolie/index.html

    I think we have not had access to all Brad response pages.

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    1. Interesting but Why would rest of the media withhold the whole set of papers? Also TMZ have got them why did they hold this information back and not ALL?

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    2. Bia Have you noticed they said the investigation is still on-going.

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    3. If you look at the papers dailymail post, in the end has:

      Page 1 of 3 or Page 1 of 7:

      I can not see the right number but I think it is one of those options, if it is, still has more pages.

      If not mistaken the request of Angelina, she indicated that he was to provide a property.

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    4. To be honest I was too distressed and didn't even read her papers let alone Brads.So I guess all this talk about already having a pre-nup confirms the tabloids were wrong again and know nothing .I just still hope even seeing all in black and white.

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  5. I just so sad for them and specially for the kids. I know I have no right to feel this way But I can`t help but to feel a little angry with them. 12 years of marriage and 6 small kids and they give up like that?

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    1. We all are angry with them both. Just seems like they threw it away without a fight or even just seperating taking time out to regroup and come back instead of going this whole legal final way.And its that that makes me angry. 12 years I invested in them and believed every word they did about being together, I guess when Angelina said if the children cant keep you together if love goes.I still believed they were in love and still stupidly do believe they love each other, just are angry.

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    2. I'm confused by some fans complaining about them giving up. Why in the world should Angelina keep her kids in an environment that is unhealthy for them ? She's doing the right thing.

      As a fan I am proud of the fact that she puts her kids above all.

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  6. Fussy, who knows if they have prenup. It might be that TMZ was wrong on that.

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    1. One could say we are never sure of anything ...but ...no one disputed the accuracy of the TMZ report nor has anyone diputed ANY TMZ report that quoted "sources close to Angelina" or even "sources close to the case." It is conceded that TMZ has a line on Angelina's side thru Harvey Levin's friendship with Laura Wesser.

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    2. Fussy
      What I just don't understand how 2 intelligent people who were able to build a very solid 12 year brand sorry even if I hate that word but they had a solid world wide image and a very good image unlike anyone in Hollywood despite the Clooneys trying to emulate them, no one will ever touch the level that Brad and Angelina had together, that they could just let it go this way and especially via media trial. Maybe i'm over thinking but to happen this way it's more than meets the eye.Sadly they have become teh media fodder and not for good and its their own damn making.

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    3. It is quite strange to me that even if they have "sources close to Angelina", their write-ups are not pro Angelina - they are mostly sympathetic to Brad, like all the other outlets. I think they had a few leads, but also they write speculations from "sources" like everyone else.

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    4. Sara: I don't found it strange at all. Brad is a BIG name for all the Industry (also the media is part of the industry). To take a side against brad is no good for bizz. Even the mags sales more when angie is the bad one, figure out

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    5. The fact is he's with CAA. Big agencies are known to use other clients as leverage. They may tell publications that if they trash their client they will lose access to their other clients.

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    1. Sara, Despite Laura and Harvey friendship I dont think she was giving him more than requiter info especially after Angelina hired the other big litigator guns. Media always has been pro Brad and will continue to do so and Angelina always was painted the bad one and will continue to do so as that sells magazines and the main buying public is females they go after females.

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    2. Brad and his team always helped that narrative along. Never once did he defend her or their children.

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    3. I think with People, TMZ, and US claiming all of these sources it has really muddied things for this family as to what's really going on. So in my opinion the media was always side with Pitt no matter what. There have even been sources saying how Pitt thinks she is a great mom and he respects her and all but the media will not focus on that they refuse so it is what we see now being played out.

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    4. One thing Brad will never do is badmouth the mother of HIS children.He never even said anything bad about his EX's so media have a long wait till hell to get a word out of him against his wife Angelina.

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    5. He made rude comments about his ex and their marriage. How boring it was or whatever and that's why he had to come out and apologize and clarify because people on the net were not happy about those comments. Also when this incident was first revealed his team created the "smear campaign" narrative. Now we know it wasn't a smear it was the truth. Plus Angelina side has said very little compared to Brad's using people magazine, Us magazine and tmz against her.

      Brad likes drama and without it be is bored. Angelina is grown and probably done with his drama queen ways especially when it's directed at her children.

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  8. Fussy
    I read your add on write up and the mention of "more Time" that is giving me hope again.I trust your instincts on all this case and it all may not appear as it seems.Yes we all are speculating as we dont have cold hard facts, but still in all this mess I'm glad there still is someone out there being positive and sensible in their reporting and not exploiting the situation.

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  9. Brad belongs to a large agency CAA, this agency has actors, producers, sportsman, presenters must control medias, newspapers ......
    Angelina tried to be this agency, but did not last long ... they have the tendency to control everything and Angelina is not that.
    EXCLUSIVE: Angelina Jolie Fires CAA!
    http://deadline.com/2006/04/exclusive-angelina-jolie-fired-caa-197/
    saw the email from Sony, even Angelina not saying anything else, always professional and polite, as producer Scott Rudin was trapped and said a lot of bad things, just because she has an opinion and fight for what she thinks is best for her. ... it is difficult to be so in the industry especially if you are female. and it unlike other actors speak directly with producers, directors .... she is not afraid. But this makes it difficult for her in Hollywood, but she has also not seem more interested.

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    1. Angelina always has manged her career very well on her own accord and that's what annoys Hollywood, remember one of the papers wrote a hit piece on her how she manages media, you know how dare a women outclass us LOL.

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    2. The thing about a big agency like that is they protect their clients and Brad is one of their biggest clients so they will do everything to protect him and his career. They always have and that's why Angelina was the bad guy, to protect Brad's image. Everything was always Angelina's fault... To him leaving his ex wife to him having certain styles of facial hair. Brad has never had to take responsibility and that's probably part of the reason he doesn't want to to take the blame for being abusive to his children.

      Why should he if he doesn't have to because no one expects him to. He's coddled by the press , his team and fans.

      Angelina never needed that protection because she doesn't give a you know what.

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  10. I'm so wrecked by all this right now
    Not knowing anything going on , other than the divorce agreed by the two parties , in these horrible conditions, is hard on me as a fan for twelve years . Sad , i'm very sad, it's the Truth.

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    1. I'm a BIG fan of actor(s) Gena Rowland's and her now deceased filmmaker husband John Cassavettes (he died in 82) and so when I found out that she was a Gemini and her husband was a Sagittarius just like Angelina and Brad I went on a search to find similarities witht he couples and found them. The Rowland-Cassavettes were so intertwined professionally and of course as a married couple/parents and reading different things they've each said about their lives together is so close to the Jolie-Pitt's and it just makes me sadder that the latter seems to have tossed in the towel. This is what John Cassavettes said about he and his wife:

      “I believe that any two people who disagree should really go as far as they can, and I think we do: screaming, yelling, petty acts of hostility and cruelty — but it’s all meaningless,” he said. “It’s meaningless if that essential love is there. Like a rubber band that you stretch out, no matter how far you pull it — and even if it stings snapping back — it returns, the love reappears.”

      I know J-P love each other but something has broken them and I just don't get it. In less than a year something has made the love not enough after ALL the hell they've gone through together. I've speculated to death but still can't fathom what broke them like this.

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