Monday, October 31, 2016






Random Fuzzies


By way of a long response to a question (from Fiorella), I am going to try to piece together what I think happened early on.


As soon as their plane lands late in the evening on Sept. 14, it is met by family social workers from the DCFS.

Us
The insider tells Us that someone anonymously called DCFS during the flight, and representatives arrived at the airport tarmac to take the complaint as soon as the famous family landed. After interviewing Jolie, 41, and Pitt, DCFS decided to let them go, the source says.

In addition to interviewing everyone who was aboard the plane, the DCFS conduct a physical examination of Maddox and ask him and the other children if they feel they are in any danger.


DCFS
When the police or DCFS receive a report of child abuse, neglect, or abandonment, they must investigate. If they feel a child is in danger, they will move him or her away from the home.

People
Pitt did not return to the L.A. family home with Jolie and the children after the incident. That wasn't unusual, says the source – Pitt would often spend the night at a hotel after arguments with Jolie.

The next day, Sept. 15, Angelina seeks the advice of lawyers who have worked on child abuse cases with the DCFS.  Having the children taken away and placed in foster homes would be her greatest fear.  She is aware of the DCFS' concerns from the night before and since Brad's return to the family home could be seen by the DCFS as a "danger" to the children, she makes the decision to separate from him.  On Sept. 16, she hires Laura Wasser and they prepare to file for divorce so she has a legal basis to temporarily have sole physical custody. 

During this time she is still too upset with Brad to talk to him and explain her actions. But through various statements and reports, she gives him many hints

TMZ

Angelina Jolie has filed for divorce from Brad Pitt and the trigger was a conflict over the kids, substance abuse and anger ... TMZ has learned.
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She's asking for physical custody of the couple's 6 children. She is asking the judge to give Pitt visitation. It's significant ... she does not want Brad to have joint physical custody ... only joint legal custody.
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Our sources say, Angelina became "fed up" with Brad's consumption of weed and possibly alcohol, and mixed with what she believes is "an anger problem" ... felt it became dangerous for the children.
,,,Jolie, who's being repped by disso queen Laura Wasser, is not asking for spousal support.
Jolie lists the date of separation as Sept. 15, 2016.

Robert Offer's statement:
"Angelina Jolie Pitt has filed for dissolution of the marriage. This decision was made for the health of the family"

Geyer Kosinski's statement:
 "Angelina will always do what's in the best interest of taking care of her family.
Us
“She still says Brad is the love of her life, and the decision has weighed heavy on her heart,” the source adds. “Her priority now is the children.”
E!
E! News has learned the 41-year-old actress doesn't intend for the custody situation to remain permanent. Rather, we're told she believes it's what's necessary right now, and she knows she and Pitt will need to co-parent together in the future for the sake of their children,"

Meanwhile...


Sept. 20 E!
"I am very saddened by this, but what matters most now is the wellbeing of our kids.
Sept 22

People
"“He is just wrecked by this,”“He got a heads-up [about the filing] two days before.
People
A "source tells PEOPLE Pitt will not likely accept sole custody, as "sole custody for either of them doesn't seem like what's best for the children." 
E!
"Brad did not want the marriage to end," a source shared with E! News. "He was committed to doing what he needed to make it work. He was open to counseling."
Another insider added, "He is emotionally torn. Right now, he is devastated. He still loved Angelina and would have preferred they fight to make the marriage work. He was willing to do whatever it took to save the marriage  


After initially pleading publicly with her, his tone changed after news of the abuse investigation leaked.


Sept. 22 TMZ & People
"He takes the matter very seriously and says he did not commit any abuse of his children," the source says. "It's unfortunate that people involved are continuing to present him in the worst possible light."
People
"The source says Pitt did not hurt his son. “He is emphatic that it did not reach the level of physical abuse, that no one was physically harmed. ...

Any accusations beyond that are “a combination of exaggerations and lies,” the Pitt source contends, blaming sources close to Jolie. “They have taken the overall smallest kernel of truth – that a fight in which Brad was somewhat inebriated got out of hand and reached a regrettable peak, and that as a result DCFS is looking into it – and they are manipulating it to best suit their attempts to gain custody.”

But a day later, he had calmed down and was again conciliatory.

Daily Mail
"They are a solid family with two caring parents and a normal share of verbal disagreements like major households. 'Hopefully people can move on and leave them all alone to work this out.'   Pitt's friend went on to explain that the actor has nothing negative to say about Jolie and continues to have a huge amount of respect for the mother of his children"


Sept. 23 TMZ
"A source connected with Angelina says this is not about alcohol ... she would never leave Brad if it was just a substance abuse problem. The source says this is all about protecting their children."

Sept. 24

People 
"A family member exclusively tells PEOPLE "Her family is broken and she is in agony. Her children are recovering from the events that brought about the filing of the divorce"

Us -  "Brad Pitt is a "shattered man" after Angelina Jolie blindsided him with a divorce."


Sept. 27
"I'm very grateful to be part of such a fascinating and educational project, but I'm currently focused on my family situation and don't want to distract attention away from this extraordinary film.."

Sept. 30 TMZ
"Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie have been in the throes of settlement negotiations almost from the start ... but it got rocky early on when Brad pulled the plug ... sources familiar with the case tell TMZ.
We're told when TMZ broke the story about the incident in the air, Brad felt Angelina's people leaked the story and said he was done negotiating. But our sources say shortly thereafter, negotiations resumed...
-- Custody and visitation
-- Temporary support for Angelina and the kids...are well on their way to resolution... must conform to the eventual DCFS recommendations.

I don't know what form of communication was involved in "throes of settlement negotiations" but clearly Brad did not yet know at the time of the leak (Sept. 22)  the reasons why Angelina needed sole physical custody.  I think after seeing his reaction she realized she needed to let him know asap to calm him down and she may have sent someone she trusted -- like her brother -- to talk to him.  And that probably paved the way for them to talk or meet directly -- perhaps even before he released his statement for Voyage of Time.


Certainly by Sept. 30 Brad was already aware of Angelina's reasons which is why he had agreed to "custody and visitation" and even added "temporary support for Angelina and the kids" -- which she didn't ask for -- before the DCFS released its recommendations.



At about this time, they stopped the flow of information to all outlets outside of TMZ.  This was made clear when People reported that Brad had a "wonderful" visit with the kids only to be embarrassed when it was widely discredited.  So I am not giving any credence to subsequent People reports that purport to give updates especially those that mention "divorce negotiations" since they don't have a clue as to what is really happening.



Oct 1
Angelina Jolie will not cooperate with law enforcement if there's a move to file child abuse charges against Brad Pitt ... TMZ has learned....Angelina, we're told, has a singular focus ... protecting her kids, not punishing Brad.



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--- Fussy

17 comments:

  1. Brad Pitt Has Seen Kids Twice Since Split — but Not Son Maddox, Says Source
    BY JODI GUGLIELMI•@JODIGUG3

    POSTED ON OCTOBER 19, 2016 AT 10:00AM EDT

    And while Pitt, 52, and Jolie, 41, remain locked in negotiations, with custody arrangements front and center, the two have not been in communication with one another.

    “Brad and Angie haven’t had any contact, and it’s all being worked out via their teams,” says a family source in this week’s issue of PEOPLE. “It’s just a sad situation.”

    family source?

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    1. People has no reliable source right now. Only TMZ.

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  2. thank you, fussy.

    Pitt did not return to the L.A. family home with Jolie and the children after the incident. That wasn't unusual, says the source – Pitt would often spend the night at a hotel after arguments with Jolie.--- 1. when I read this article, I was disappointed about brad's irresponsibility. 2. That wasn't unusual--- usual arguments. 3. their family home is very huge. hotel?---weed?

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    1. You and I had the same thought and reacted to the same statement.

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  3. People
    Pitt did not return to the L.A. family home with Jolie and the children after the incident. That wasn't unusual, says the source – Pitt would often spend the night at a hotel after arguments with Jolie.

    I missed this statement originally but reading it now made me sad/side-eye Brad. A grown man running away after an argument. Is this tabloid BS? Why would he check into a hotel after an argument when they have all those homes on the property? Makes me mad because IF its true, he ran away from his children too, which as a parent I know isn't responsible. But IF it is true, his run that night made the situation worse and contributed to why he couldn't talk to his wife and understand her actions. Curious at what point did he realize what he'd done and how bad it was?





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  4. Thanks Fussy for this. I've had this suspicion about Pitt ever since I read that a few weeks ago about him not going home with the family and I believe it has to do with DCFS. If they met the family at the plane and interviewed them after being aware of what just happened on that plane and Pitt being intoxicated there is no way he would have been allowed to go home with the family. I'm beginning to think Jolie would have had to agree to an emergency safety plan that is the only way the kids could have left with her and she could no longer be in contact with Pitt as a DCFS rule. DCFS main objective is the kids safety, if they couldn't guarantee their safety they would have tried to hold the kids and no way would she let that occur.

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  5. Hi Fussy. Would love to read your take on these. Early report from People (22/9/16) :

    "He was appealing to her to do this quietly – NOT TO SAVE THE MARRIAGE but to consider the well-being of the children..."

    "He was willing to do anything, change any habit, change any lifestyle, to do what had to be done to make this work,” adds the source. “And by ‘make this work,’ that means doing what has to be done to make EVEN A SPLIT ONE that is amicable..."

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    Doesn't these show that the decision to divorce is mutual? At least at the early stage of this chaos (and if it's true, I hope it change now on both sides. Amen :D )

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    1. The first cover story from People was all made up stories because they didn`t know about the plane accident yet. And if indeed this come from Brad`s side perhaps he was trying save face and maintain the good guy image. If he wanted a divorce the most simple thing for him to do was respond to her filling. and he did not.

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    3. " At least at the early stage of this chaos.."

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      Anger has subsided. The reality emerged.

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    4. It was just face-saving. He was blindsided by her decision to file and didn't know her true reasons. Those statements are in case she had really given up on him and the marriage.

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    5. Thank you for your reply, Fussy.

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  6. Thanks Fussy. You are amazing.

    I just hope that they are talking for some time now and Brad understand why Angie did the things that she done.

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  7. Thanks Fussy.
    You from the beginning was calm, consistent and always brought an analysis based on "facts" as far as possible and knowing when to separate and believe the reported news. Everyone has their mistakes, and when generating the news many were spreading without checking much.
    Never a divorce would be used for the health of the family, the end goal is not to separate but the health of the family a lot can and will happen.

    Robert Offer's statement:

    "Angelina Jolie Pitt has filed for dissolution of the marriage. This decision was made for the health of the family"


    Geyer Kosinski's statement:

    "Angelina will always do what's in the best interest of taking care of her family.

    Sept. 20 E!

    "I am very saddened by this, but what matters most now is the wellbeing of our kids.

    Sept. 27

    "I'm very grateful to be part of such a fascinating and educational project, but I'm currently focused on my family situation and don't want to distract attention away from this extraordinary film.."


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  8. Fussy, and everyone, I love your positive thoughts and I keep on hoping this could be true, but why did Angie ask for dissolution of the marriage instead of legal separation then?

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